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	<title>Comments on: Livingston Communications is off to the races with CRT/tanaka</title>
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		<title>By: Beth Harte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth Harte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DougPoretz, there has been a lot of discussion around billable hours versus value delivered. As well, I think most of us in the marketing industry (whether clients or vendors) recognize that silos don’t work when communicating to the outside world (i.e. customers/prospects/investors/etc.). The problem boils down to internal politics and laziness… in an effort to give everyone a platform for their opinion, the result is multiple campaigns, messages and end-users that are getting hit with tons of marketing babble. No wonder most people ignore the traditional favorites like direct mail, ads and e-mail marketing. Will social media rid the industry of billable hours, lack of value, politics and too many messages? Only if a company wants to stay in business for the next 10 years or more.

As for measurement, I don’t agree with you there. All companies (and the agencies they select) should have plans that measure for success... otherwise how will you know if you are making any strides? The reason there is no perceived value in marketing is because of the lack of planning, measuring and re-planning. Most folks don’t want to be held accountable, so the result is shotgun marketing that is worthless and ignored (in most cases, there are always exceptions).

@CourtneyBensen, Knowing Geoff and his team, I don’t think there is any issue with change…they are change agents when it comes to social media. As well, it’s doubtful that CRT/tanaka would have purchased LComm if they didn’t embrace social media.

@LarryIrons, not sure I agree with this one: “Those listening for a brand, whether employees or outside agencies, require an understanding of how a complaint, product suggestion, opportunity, or request heard on a social media channel (Twitter, Facebook, etc.) relates to the brand’s business services and the processes that regulate them.”

If I understand your meaning, I’d say that’s an inside out, not outside in, viewpoint. The statement, from a social media perspective, should be something like: 

“Those listening for a brand, whether employees or outside agencies, require an understanding of how a complaint, product suggestion, opportunity, or request heard on a social media channel (Twitter, Facebook, etc.) can be used to enhance, revise, etc. the brand’s business services and the processes that regulate them.”

Also, I haven’t seen any examples or case studies of agencies taking social media across silos or corporate structures…most have been one-off marketing campaigns. The one exception that I have seen recently is Sea World San Antonio; they are using social media tools across the organization. Kami Huyse is involved in that social media initiative.

@DonLafferty, thanks for adding a local reality check. From where I sit, I don’t see a lot of local agencies or embracing social media (and I don’t mean embracing the tools, I mean embracing the new mindset). It will be interesting to see what happens…

@SharonAdams, best of luck with your community!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DougPoretz, there has been a lot of discussion around billable hours versus value delivered. As well, I think most of us in the marketing industry (whether clients or vendors) recognize that silos don’t work when communicating to the outside world (i.e. customers/prospects/investors/etc.). The problem boils down to internal politics and laziness… in an effort to give everyone a platform for their opinion, the result is multiple campaigns, messages and end-users that are getting hit with tons of marketing babble. No wonder most people ignore the traditional favorites like direct mail, ads and e-mail marketing. Will social media rid the industry of billable hours, lack of value, politics and too many messages? Only if a company wants to stay in business for the next 10 years or more.</p>
<p>As for measurement, I don’t agree with you there. All companies (and the agencies they select) should have plans that measure for success&#8230; otherwise how will you know if you are making any strides? The reason there is no perceived value in marketing is because of the lack of planning, measuring and re-planning. Most folks don’t want to be held accountable, so the result is shotgun marketing that is worthless and ignored (in most cases, there are always exceptions).</p>
<p>@CourtneyBensen, Knowing Geoff and his team, I don’t think there is any issue with change…they are change agents when it comes to social media. As well, it’s doubtful that CRT/tanaka would have purchased LComm if they didn’t embrace social media.</p>
<p>@LarryIrons, not sure I agree with this one: “Those listening for a brand, whether employees or outside agencies, require an understanding of how a complaint, product suggestion, opportunity, or request heard on a social media channel (Twitter, Facebook, etc.) relates to the brand’s business services and the processes that regulate them.”</p>
<p>If I understand your meaning, I’d say that’s an inside out, not outside in, viewpoint. The statement, from a social media perspective, should be something like: </p>
<p>“Those listening for a brand, whether employees or outside agencies, require an understanding of how a complaint, product suggestion, opportunity, or request heard on a social media channel (Twitter, Facebook, etc.) can be used to enhance, revise, etc. the brand’s business services and the processes that regulate them.”</p>
<p>Also, I haven’t seen any examples or case studies of agencies taking social media across silos or corporate structures…most have been one-off marketing campaigns. The one exception that I have seen recently is Sea World San Antonio; they are using social media tools across the organization. Kami Huyse is involved in that social media initiative.</p>
<p>@DonLafferty, thanks for adding a local reality check. From where I sit, I don’t see a lot of local agencies or embracing social media (and I don’t mean embracing the tools, I mean embracing the new mindset). It will be interesting to see what happens…</p>
<p>@SharonAdams, best of luck with your community!</p>
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		<title>By: SharonAdams</title>
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		<dc:creator>SharonAdams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have developed a new website intended to fill this social media gap.  SocialDirectConnect.com is meant to bring non profits, businesses, social and community leaders and media together so all can benefit.  We&#039;ve only been online since November 2008 and are constantly developing and adding new plug ins. Would appreciate your input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have developed a new website intended to fill this social media gap.  SocialDirectConnect.com is meant to bring non profits, businesses, social and community leaders and media together so all can benefit.  We&#8217;ve only been online since November 2008 and are constantly developing and adding new plug ins. Would appreciate your input.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Lafferty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Lafferty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your assessment is spot-on here, Beth.

While there will always be boutique-ish [read: low cost; low overhead] options for procuring services on a shoe string, I see more and more agencies and in-house MARCOM orgs talking about converting freelance social media resources to full time assets.

The toughest part about these agency melds is managing the resulting overlap, created over the last few years by agencies and freelance social media consultants wearing lots of hats in their effort to satisfy clients during this new media (re)evolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your assessment is spot-on here, Beth.</p>
<p>While there will always be boutique-ish [read: low cost; low overhead] options for procuring services on a shoe string, I see more and more agencies and in-house MARCOM orgs talking about converting freelance social media resources to full time assets.</p>
<p>The toughest part about these agency melds is managing the resulting overlap, created over the last few years by agencies and freelance social media consultants wearing lots of hats in their effort to satisfy clients during this new media (re)evolution.</p>
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		<title>By: There Is No Social Media Department &#124; Oslo</title>
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		<dc:creator>There Is No Social Media Department &#124; Oslo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The siloization of social media within communications departments and their agencies represents a strate... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Livingston Communications acquired by CRT/tanaka - Marketing Conversation - New Marketing and Social Media by Abraham Harrison LLC — Marketing Conversation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Livingston Communications acquired by CRT/tanaka - Marketing Conversation - New Marketing and Social Media by Abraham Harrison LLC — Marketing Conversation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] upon the big news that Livingston Communications acquired by CRT/tanaka. Good news via Beth Harte, Livingston Communications is off to the races with CRT/tanaka: I wanted to be able to share his good news about being acquired by CRT/tanaka with the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] upon the big news that Livingston Communications acquired by CRT/tanaka. Good news via Beth Harte, Livingston Communications is off to the races with CRT/tanaka: I wanted to be able to share his good news about being acquired by CRT/tanaka with the [...]</p>
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