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	<title>Comments on: PR does not belong in the HR Department</title>
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		<title>By: Beth Harte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth Harte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@stevelubetkin, was that a little word-of-mouth for Panera?! :)) &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On this point we are in 100% agreement. The trend for hiring drones, both PR and marketing, will come to a head sooner or later because it will eventually affect revenues. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The other trend that I have experienced first hand during my career is executive management putting underlings [or managers like me] out on the front line during a crisis for fear that their personal reputation might be damanged. Nothing says &#039;guily&#039; like putting a non-executive in front of journalists, editors or reporters to discuss the issue/crisis at hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@stevelubetkin, was that a little word-of-mouth for Panera?! <img src='http://www.theharteofmarketing.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) </p>
<p>On this point we are in 100% agreement. The trend for hiring drones, both PR and marketing, will come to a head sooner or later because it will eventually affect revenues. </p>
<p>The other trend that I have experienced first hand during my career is executive management putting underlings [or managers like me] out on the front line during a crisis for fear that their personal reputation might be damanged. Nothing says &#8216;guily&#8217; like putting a non-executive in front of journalists, editors or reporters to discuss the issue/crisis at hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Harte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth Harte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@shannonpaul, you bring up a lot of great points here that I didn&#039;t cover (would have made for a rather long post). You are absolutely right, when a journalist/editor/reporter calls everything else must be dropped and put aside to get the reporter either the details they require or the interview they seek. That said, I am sure Chrysler&#039;s PR folks know that. It&#039;s the upper management that, most likely, doesn&#039;t get the deadlines journalists/editors/reporters have. As well, when there&#039;s a crisis, you can&#039;t wear your HR hat to the scene...it just won&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shannonpaul, you bring up a lot of great points here that I didn&#8217;t cover (would have made for a rather long post). You are absolutely right, when a journalist/editor/reporter calls everything else must be dropped and put aside to get the reporter either the details they require or the interview they seek. That said, I am sure Chrysler&#8217;s PR folks know that. It&#8217;s the upper management that, most likely, doesn&#8217;t get the deadlines journalists/editors/reporters have. As well, when there&#8217;s a crisis, you can&#8217;t wear your HR hat to the scene&#8230;it just won&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lubetkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lubetkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continuing the conversation Beth and I had about this over lunch at Panera Bread (free wi-fi, friendly to customers!) I am saddened after spending most of my professional career in corporate communications and public relations that corporate managers still don&#039;t understand that communicating with their audiences and constituencies is a separate discipline. They still think the media can be manipulated by hiding information, by shielding executives, and by misleading employees by burying significant corporate actions in stultifying legally required disclosure documents.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am pessimistic about the future for anyone contemplating a career in a corporate PR role. Companies are more interested in hiring young people willing to be drones for a (relatively) high corporate salary, read scripts to reporters, know nothing about the business or trends affecting the industry and its customers. And then, when those young people have a few years of experience under their belts (and higher salaries) they will be tossed under the bus and replaced with still younger and inexperienced people. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Continuity and relationship building are the antithesis of what this trend is all about. And the companies who do this (you all know who you are, Chrysler included) will reap what they sow. They have simply concluded that the reputation damage doesn&#039;t matter to them any more. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s a lot like China. They don&#039;t care if the Yettumsville Gazette writes about the pollution or oppression in Beijing, as long as Matt Lauer waxes eloquent on the Today Show about how beautiful everything is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continuing the conversation Beth and I had about this over lunch at Panera Bread (free wi-fi, friendly to customers!) I am saddened after spending most of my professional career in corporate communications and public relations that corporate managers still don&#8217;t understand that communicating with their audiences and constituencies is a separate discipline. They still think the media can be manipulated by hiding information, by shielding executives, and by misleading employees by burying significant corporate actions in stultifying legally required disclosure documents.</p>
<p>I am pessimistic about the future for anyone contemplating a career in a corporate PR role. Companies are more interested in hiring young people willing to be drones for a (relatively) high corporate salary, read scripts to reporters, know nothing about the business or trends affecting the industry and its customers. And then, when those young people have a few years of experience under their belts (and higher salaries) they will be tossed under the bus and replaced with still younger and inexperienced people. </p>
<p>Continuity and relationship building are the antithesis of what this trend is all about. And the companies who do this (you all know who you are, Chrysler included) will reap what they sow. They have simply concluded that the reputation damage doesn&#8217;t matter to them any more. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a lot like China. They don&#8217;t care if the Yettumsville Gazette writes about the pollution or oppression in Beijing, as long as Matt Lauer waxes eloquent on the Today Show about how beautiful everything is.</p>
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		<title>By: shannonpaul</title>
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		<dc:creator>shannonpaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Detroiter, I&#039;ve heard plenty of news as it relates to this particular business decision. Not to mention the fact that my boss used to work at Chrysler under the direction of Jason Vines, who you mention here. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Honestly, I understand the logic behind this move since both are responsible for communicating on behalf of the company, but that&#039;s basically where my understanding ends. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In addition to some of the issues you mentioned regarding privacy -vs- openness, I think the speed with which each of these departments operate must be entirely different. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In PR, people have to be ready to drop everything when a journalist/blogger expresses interest in covering their company. That also means having a direct line to executives and quick access to all background information, images, video, etc. In general, that means having the ability to bend over backwards to make sure every question is answered and every resource is shared -- and shared quickly! &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I can&#039;t imagine that anyone with a background in HR has ever had to really scramble in the same way. Sure, they have peaks and valleys in their workload -- but it&#039;s more seasonal. In PR, changes can happen daily and sometimes hourly. Not to mention that writing employee handbooks and company policy is an entirely different discipline that writing press materials and marketing copy...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, the Detroiter in me can&#039;t help but remember that we are talking about Chrysler in 2008 -- a company that has a product line that is so totally out of sync with what consumers actually want, it&#039;s ridiculous. I keep thinking that maybe this is their way of saying, &quot;why bother?&quot; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Whether it&#039;s intentional or not, the messaging behind this decision only seems to confirm that the leadership at Chrysler really couldn&#039;t care less what anyone outside the company might think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Detroiter, I&#8217;ve heard plenty of news as it relates to this particular business decision. Not to mention the fact that my boss used to work at Chrysler under the direction of Jason Vines, who you mention here. </p>
<p>Honestly, I understand the logic behind this move since both are responsible for communicating on behalf of the company, but that&#8217;s basically where my understanding ends. </p>
<p>In addition to some of the issues you mentioned regarding privacy -vs- openness, I think the speed with which each of these departments operate must be entirely different. </p>
<p>In PR, people have to be ready to drop everything when a journalist/blogger expresses interest in covering their company. That also means having a direct line to executives and quick access to all background information, images, video, etc. In general, that means having the ability to bend over backwards to make sure every question is answered and every resource is shared &#8212; and shared quickly! </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine that anyone with a background in HR has ever had to really scramble in the same way. Sure, they have peaks and valleys in their workload &#8212; but it&#8217;s more seasonal. In PR, changes can happen daily and sometimes hourly. Not to mention that writing employee handbooks and company policy is an entirely different discipline that writing press materials and marketing copy&#8230;</p>
<p>However, the Detroiter in me can&#8217;t help but remember that we are talking about Chrysler in 2008 &#8212; a company that has a product line that is so totally out of sync with what consumers actually want, it&#8217;s ridiculous. I keep thinking that maybe this is their way of saying, &#8220;why bother?&#8221; </p>
<p>Whether it&#8217;s intentional or not, the messaging behind this decision only seems to confirm that the leadership at Chrysler really couldn&#8217;t care less what anyone outside the company might think.</p>
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